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		<title>by: Hernan</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewhagen.com/archives/2005/08/13/914/#comment-2559</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would recommend the following discussion I found while browsing the blog, &lt;a href="http://michaelpaine.blogspot.com/2005/08/my-response-to-michael-barone.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; Here it is a good exchange of ideas about the essence of what we are commenting here.  Because I truly believe that history reveals that cultures or religions have never been a threat to other. The real threat is political extremism that may manipulate people using a cultural or religious alibi to pursue a political objective. We have plenty examples of this in the Middle Age with the Inquisition, in Europe with Hitler, in the Middle East with Osama Bin Ladin, In the late century with the Soviet Union. That's why I refuse to accept extremist postures that only can create another fundamentalist wing that wants to wipe out everything is different and establish their values, religion or culture as the only one that worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend the following discussion I found while browsing the blog, <a href="http://michaelpaine.blogspot.com/2005/08/my-response-to-michael-barone.html" rel="nofollow"></a> Here it is a good exchange of ideas about the essence of what we are commenting here.  Because I truly believe that history reveals that cultures or religions have never been a threat to other. The real threat is political extremism that may manipulate people using a cultural or religious alibi to pursue a political objective. We have plenty examples of this in the Middle Age with the Inquisition, in Europe with Hitler, in the Middle East with Osama Bin Ladin, In the late century with the Soviet Union. That&#8217;s why I refuse to accept extremist postures that only can create another fundamentalist wing that wants to wipe out everything is different and establish their values, religion or culture as the only one that worth.
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		<title>by: Hernan</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewhagen.com/archives/2005/08/13/914/#comment-2558</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Chris: You're right. America has a culture, one that is very diverse and one of the most multicultural examples in the world. I apologyze if that was not clear from my commentary. What I was wanting to establish is that there is not such a thing as a "pure" American culture -spontaneously and independently created- that we must protect from other influences. As you are perfectly pointing, America's culture is based on the melting point ideal and that is its strenght. Also, cultures are not static but always evolving as a matter of survival, those cultures that want to keep as an orthodox set of elements are quickly replaced as the dominant wave and in most cases they die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris: You&#8217;re right. America has a culture, one that is very diverse and one of the most multicultural examples in the world. I apologyze if that was not clear from my commentary. What I was wanting to establish is that there is not such a thing as a &#8220;pure&#8221; American culture -spontaneously and independently created- that we must protect from other influences. As you are perfectly pointing, America&#8217;s culture is based on the melting point ideal and that is its strenght. Also, cultures are not static but always evolving as a matter of survival, those cultures that want to keep as an orthodox set of elements are quickly replaced as the dominant wave and in most cases they die.
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		<title>by: Chris Chaos</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewhagen.com/archives/2005/08/13/914/#comment-2554</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmm..good point but I disagree with you assertion that there is no American Culture. Culture's are created by the uniqueness of a particular society over time. Just because elements of culture are taken from previous societies, that in no way makes the future culture irrelevent. American culture is based on the melting pot ideal, and the facets of our culture reflect this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..good point but I disagree with you assertion that there is no American Culture. Culture&#8217;s are created by the uniqueness of a particular society over time. Just because elements of culture are taken from previous societies, that in no way makes the future culture irrelevent. American culture is based on the melting pot ideal, and the facets of our culture reflect this.
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		<title>by: Hernan</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewhagen.com/archives/2005/08/13/914/#comment-2447</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The discussion between hagen and Latino Pundir is becoming more and more interesting. I would like to share some points of view with you. While I agree with Latino in most of his/her observations I disagree with most of your reasoning my dear Andrew.

Analyzing multiculturalism as a process where balance is right but any trend leading to entropia is wrong is an extreme statement that is in conflict with history itself. This is not a process along a single curve (culture) that is appropiate and where the other curves (cultures) adding different backgrounds are O.K. as far as they don't create a rupture of the main stream. 

Let me explain the point. Hagen tries to define a "pure" American culture as the result of English, American-Indian and other cultures and with emblems such as baseball, hot-dogs and hamburgers. I completely disagree. First, because there is no such a thing as an American culture. There is American flocklore -a part of a culture's signature- that differs either if we analyze, for example, the East Coast, West Coast or the MidWest. There is not a "pure" English culture as England is made of a series of culture and folcklore from Scottland, Ireland, Wales and England that also acquired elements from other European backgrounds (mainly French) and the Roman Empire. 

History shows that there has been always a dominated culture among national or local folcklore living together. Every culture has had a raising cycle, a climax and a decay along time where it has been replaced by a new strongest current. Egyptian culture gave pass to Greek culture that was replaced by Roman Culture and so on. But the new culture has not been a completely new thinking with a radical different set of values but strongly rooted on the previously dominant one and enriched by the new. Now, the dominating culture is of Western European Origin with one main source: Judeo-Christianism.

Hispanics belong to the same original cultural mainstream as Americans. With differences in folcklore -even among them- and a different language, but basically, they share the same core values and beliefs. They even share quite similar Amerindian native backgrounds. Then, to categorize America as a main culture and hispanic as part of the Third World cultures is a mistake. Both Americans and Hispanics share more things than those dividing them, while there practically are no cultural similarities between hispanic and other Third World streams as Asians (mainly, Chinesse and Hindues) Both Hispanics and Americans also share an important African element in their cultures brought by the slaves (specially those hispanic countries above the Ecuatorial Line)

Andrew, hamburgers and hot-dogs are as American as they are of German origin or part of the folcklore of most countries in the world right now. Freedom was probably the American emblem most recognized but not its culture as the country has been the shelter for several different waves of immigrants, each one with a predominantly different culture background. Multiculturalism is a distinctive American process as many cultural waves has been living together without being wipped out by the main stream as a result of the American care for freedom and minorty representation.

As per the future, I have the vision of the Western Culture blending with the main Asian cultures and creating a new Global dominant culture that will be dominating in years to come. The more multiculturalism and the more global a culture is the better the possibilities for a longer period prevailing as the mainstream. That's why America is so powerful right now, because its believes are the result of the most multicultural array in the world.

Ultimately, Andrew, I don't share your fears but I feel that the more blended the different flocklores in America are, the better chances to create a new mega-culture that will survive and be the dominant current worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion between hagen and Latino Pundir is becoming more and more interesting. I would like to share some points of view with you. While I agree with Latino in most of his/her observations I disagree with most of your reasoning my dear Andrew.</p>
<p>Analyzing multiculturalism as a process where balance is right but any trend leading to entropia is wrong is an extreme statement that is in conflict with history itself. This is not a process along a single curve (culture) that is appropiate and where the other curves (cultures) adding different backgrounds are O.K. as far as they don&#8217;t create a rupture of the main stream. </p>
<p>Let me explain the point. Hagen tries to define a &#8220;pure&#8221; American culture as the result of English, American-Indian and other cultures and with emblems such as baseball, hot-dogs and hamburgers. I completely disagree. First, because there is no such a thing as an American culture. There is American flocklore -a part of a culture&#8217;s signature- that differs either if we analyze, for example, the East Coast, West Coast or the MidWest. There is not a &#8220;pure&#8221; English culture as England is made of a series of culture and folcklore from Scottland, Ireland, Wales and England that also acquired elements from other European backgrounds (mainly French) and the Roman Empire. </p>
<p>History shows that there has been always a dominated culture among national or local folcklore living together. Every culture has had a raising cycle, a climax and a decay along time where it has been replaced by a new strongest current. Egyptian culture gave pass to Greek culture that was replaced by Roman Culture and so on. But the new culture has not been a completely new thinking with a radical different set of values but strongly rooted on the previously dominant one and enriched by the new. Now, the dominating culture is of Western European Origin with one main source: Judeo-Christianism.</p>
<p>Hispanics belong to the same original cultural mainstream as Americans. With differences in folcklore -even among them- and a different language, but basically, they share the same core values and beliefs. They even share quite similar Amerindian native backgrounds. Then, to categorize America as a main culture and hispanic as part of the Third World cultures is a mistake. Both Americans and Hispanics share more things than those dividing them, while there practically are no cultural similarities between hispanic and other Third World streams as Asians (mainly, Chinesse and Hindues) Both Hispanics and Americans also share an important African element in their cultures brought by the slaves (specially those hispanic countries above the Ecuatorial Line)</p>
<p>Andrew, hamburgers and hot-dogs are as American as they are of German origin or part of the folcklore of most countries in the world right now. Freedom was probably the American emblem most recognized but not its culture as the country has been the shelter for several different waves of immigrants, each one with a predominantly different culture background. Multiculturalism is a distinctive American process as many cultural waves has been living together without being wipped out by the main stream as a result of the American care for freedom and minorty representation.</p>
<p>As per the future, I have the vision of the Western Culture blending with the main Asian cultures and creating a new Global dominant culture that will be dominating in years to come. The more multiculturalism and the more global a culture is the better the possibilities for a longer period prevailing as the mainstream. That&#8217;s why America is so powerful right now, because its believes are the result of the most multicultural array in the world.</p>
<p>Ultimately, Andrew, I don&#8217;t share your fears but I feel that the more blended the different flocklores in America are, the better chances to create a new mega-culture that will survive and be the dominant current worldwide.
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		<title>by: Latino Pundit</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewhagen.com/archives/2005/08/13/914/#comment-2437</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Furthermore, he equates multiculturalism with that which is Hispanic in the USA. To me, the word multiculturalism is not so specific."

Not that it is specific but inclusive as it is a hot topic today being that American culture is changing or should I say evolving.  For instance salsa now sells as much or is out selling ketchup.

As long as culutre does not harm then hot dogs, ketchup or salsa can not be deemed good or bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Furthermore, he equates multiculturalism with that which is Hispanic in the USA. To me, the word multiculturalism is not so specific.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not that it is specific but inclusive as it is a hot topic today being that American culture is changing or should I say evolving.  For instance salsa now sells as much or is out selling ketchup.</p>
<p>As long as culutre does not harm then hot dogs, ketchup or salsa can not be deemed good or bad.
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